It was a tree with a bough that's at 90 degrees to the trunk so you can sit on it, it would make a great space to hang a swing but it looks into Helen Ede's room. Helen would shut the door on that space when visitors came. Most people didn't know Jim Ede was married. I like the idea of somehow being inside Kettle's Yard but being outside Kettle's Yard at the same time, being part of it but removed from it, and so looking back into her room with binoculars - I spent my 40th birthday doing that and it's one of those pieces of work, I wasn't quite sure why I was doing it at the time but now it seems really pertinent and poignant in many ways... Because I was occupying Helen's space, that question of trying to be invisible in the space, I think, was something I was thinking about even more so, and certain things, like we were told that he used to deliberately... that she used to deliberately annoy Jim by leaving her knitting around and that kind of thing so we tried to play off with some of those issues because I could imagine he would have been quite difficult to live with.